Curse

Darkpower Alchemist · Jul 31, 2007, 04:08 PM // 16:08

We've all met this monk somewhere or another. He/She only uses the most used and popular spells of the line. The most "viable" spells. They tell you that your entire monk bar is trash-"Why are you even using Healing Prayers if you aren't using LoD?"

"Why would I use Reverse Hex. It's useless. I'll Veil the warrior and we will be fine."

"I use Mending Touch because it's better than Dismiss Condition."

"No way, why use Draw Condition when I can touch the guy and remove 2 conditions from him? That's just stupid!"

This and many other foolish statements come from the knowitall type monks. Though they say some things that make sense, they are usually also so caught up in themselves that they never change their bar even if what they are doing at that time needs something else to make the team successful.

Spamming LoD throughout the PvE campaign doesn't make you good at monking. Using words like "Viable" or "Synergy" doesn't make a knowledgeable monk. The Knowitall Monks are only outdone by the monks that know little to nothing and don't take any direction because "My bar has gotten me through Factions just fine! I don't need to change it!"

"I use Healing Breeze to stop/slow down degen!"
"But, if you remove the condition with Reverse Hex or Dismiss Condition, that would be much better."
"No way, breeze can do the job. I like my bar just like this. It heals great,too!"
"Yet, Reversal of Fortune heals better and blocks the attack."
"No way, Heal Other Rocks!LOL! I'm not changing my bar. If you want to customize a monk find someone else!"

That is a convo I had in game with a monk once in recent. This doesn't always happen, but it happens more with players with heroes. Every hero monk has resurrect on their bar(*cringes in terror*), no protection prayers in sight, and the icing on the cake:

[skill=card]Remove Hex[/skill] on their bar. Why is this the case? Because they don't have the money to spend and they want 15k armor for their warrior/elementalist. That is the greatest contradiction ever, but it gets worst still. They actually believe it! Like heroes need mony to get skills...

Then I read that "Spirit Bond is better than Protective Spirit". When did this happen? They don't respond the same way-so how is one better than the other?

[skill=big]Spirit Bond[/skill]

This is obviously made for reaction based monking. 8 seconds isn't for a serious pre protection act. Yet, some knowitall monk said it's better than...

[skill=big]Protective Spirit[/skill]

This is the staple of non elite pre protection. The enchanted contraceptive of choice for millions of GW players the world over. Even the saddest monk should keep this on their bar. Yet, it isn't considered the best at what it does by knowitall monks. Probably because...

They don't know what it does?

So tell me, if PS reduces damage and SB negates damage after a certain point, are they doing something that can be compared? And if they are, is it so identical that you can claim that one is better than the other?

Dodo The Extinct · Jul 31, 2007, 04:15 PM // 16:15

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So tell me, if PS reduces damage and SB negates damage after a certain point, are they doing something that can be compared? And if they are, is it so identical that you can claim that one is better than the other?

SB is better at avoiding a large amount of damage in a short period of time than PS is. But, PS is better at constant protection. For PvE, I`d think that PS is more used, since you can leave it on the target and worry about other things.

moko · Jul 31, 2007, 04:38 PM // 16:38

i don't get the point of this topic.

why can't you just remove the trash from it and stick to the key idea?

so, only thing i figured out was PS and SB.

both are equally good; they serve different purposes.

that's it already, lol?

Dr Strangelove · Jul 31, 2007, 04:39 PM // 16:39

SB is generally a better spell in PvP, as most of the damage is going to fall right in that money region of 60-130 damage where SB prevents more than PS.

PS is generally better in PvE as there are plenty of nasty things that can hit for 400+ damage. You generally want to protect against this for a long time as well.

Both spells are competing for the same slot on a monk bar, the "zomg lightning orb protprot!" slot.

glountz · Jul 31, 2007, 04:56 PM // 16:56

Spirit bond is for PvP spikes.
Protective spirit is for PVE HM/ele boss madness.

Remember that, in PvP, people don't hit for 300 damage, but rather 100-120 damage. Thus, PS protection mean little, especially with people loaded with 600+ HP (negating 40 damage for a 100 damage hit). However, Spirit bond will negate for 100+damage when each hit never go higher than 120.
Protective spirit fell from grace in PvP since damage grew higher with Nightfall, but in small packets, not in big numbers (aka 0.5 sec axe attacks, or sins double attacks, or Sun&moon conjure damage).
Hence, people taking minor runes and SB over PS.
However, don't deny PS. It is fine, especially in PVE where it is really better than SB to counter big numbers from mobs.

Snow Bunny · Aug 01, 2007, 06:05 PM // 18:05

I don't understand this thread.
PS and SB are both good, but good for different things.
If I'm a monk and you're a wammo with Breeze then damn right I'm going to rage on you.
And if you're a ranger/necro with life siphon on your bar, then I'm going to demand a redo as well.

GG?

Age · Aug 01, 2007, 06:26 PM // 18:26

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Originally Posted by Dark Alchemist Then I read that "Spirit Bond is better than Protective Spirit". When did this happen? They don't respond the same way-so how is one better than the other?

They are both on par. but Protective Spirit is better in way that it can't be stripped with 10 hits to it.It is one or the other and I would take protective spirit over sb.

BladeDVD · Aug 01, 2007, 08:22 PM // 20:22

I've been using spirit bond on my hero monks instead of prot. spirit because they seem to not understand how to use PS.

But for real people in PVE, PS is a great skill. Even more so in HM.

Bloodied Blade · Aug 02, 2007, 02:39 AM // 02:39

Matter of preference...I like SB because it has served me well whenever I've needed it, though I'll use PS if I expect something is going to be hitting hard enough to need it (HM etc).

pingu666 · Aug 02, 2007, 03:54 AM // 03:54

why is remove hex awful, apart from the 2second cast? :\

i actully found a good use for reserct, pet death leveling, as it kills u instantly XD

pugging can get u into alot of bad practises aswell :\ i was a pure heal monk for so long :\, and until blight i didnt run hex/condition removal because pugs needed bruteforce healing, and the conditions tended tobe reapplyed really quickly :\/

martialis · Aug 02, 2007, 04:58 AM // 04:58

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Originally Posted by Darkpower Alchemist

This is the staple of non elite pre protection. The enchanted contraceptive of choice for millions of GW players the world over.

I think you mean "counter". Or maybe "prophylactic".

Div · Aug 02, 2007, 06:52 AM // 06:52

SB and PS are both good in PvP and PvE in their own ways. PS to keep on the infuser during spikes and SB to save spikes. In PvE, SB is good against HM mobs that usually hit for 70-100, and PS is good against HM bosses that destroy you for 300-500 damage.

Trylo · Aug 02, 2007, 01:03 PM // 13:03

1) i feel for your monk "experience". I was once in this group who told me i was retarded for bringing Holy Veil on Dunkoro because i "didnt know it caused mana degen, its ok though a lot of monks dont". So i told them that you just remove it, and was about to leave when they said NO WAY YOU HAVE REFLEXES LIKE THAT LEARN TO PLAY! (like you dont double click every time youre on a comp?) so yea they made it to the ignore list after spam chatting me a few times.

2) SB is good in NM and PS in NM and HM. I like SB against ele/hammer/sin mobs (hint hint factions) because they are usually hitting for ~70ish. PvP i dont wanna go into it... mostly what other ppl said, but remember only one can let you survive a catapult xD

Darkpower Alchemist · Aug 05, 2007, 05:17 AM // 05:17

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Originally Posted by Mokone

i don't get the point of this topic.

why can't you just remove the trash from it and stick to the key idea?

so, only thing i figured out was PS and SB.

both are equally good; they serve different purposes.

that's it already, lol?

Poor Mokone,you never have fun in a thread, do you? What's your point, you ask? The point is that knowitalls don't get that others may know something they don't or won't listen to because they "Know it all already!"

Take you for example. You know so much, but don't realize the sarcasm that led to the posting of the thread. Others read the OP, saw something that they identified with, and commented, yet YOU have to start your little rant about "trash" and "junk" and such to make your self feel smart, hence the thread is about more "knowitalls" than about its secondary reason for existance, which is the monking aspect.

Reverse Hex has been buffed for months, casting at .25 seconds, and not at 2 seconds like previously. Yet, holy veil is still thought to be better when it's useage is clearly different by application.

[skill=big]Holy Veil[/skill]

It slows the casting of the target hex, thus making it interuptable. As a secondary-more a reactionary application, if the hex is still cast, it is removed with the withdrawl of the enchantment. This would make RH and HV to neutralize the same threat, yet being applied in different scenarios in order to do so. Similar to the PS/SB argument, hence why I used it in the OP since the current way of monk thinking isn't very team friendly.

A bar full of cheap heals doesn't make your monk build great-yet the knowitall monk doesn't want your wammo advice. Every monk now plays LoD builds, yet if you find out why, it isn't because they are all experienced monks, but guys that can't get a team in HA to play as anything they know, so they make a monk with this popular build-but don't really understand how it works. Just like they don't know why having Resurrect on their bar isn't a good thing. Just like why Mokone doesn't get the reason why I made the thread- because knowitalls think they know it all, but really know little to nothing.

Proceed with more comments. I'm in a good mood.

karunpav · Aug 05, 2007, 05:43 AM // 05:43

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Originally Posted by Darkpower Alchemist

Poor Mokone,you never have fun in a thread, do you? What's your point, you ask? The point is that knowitalls don't get that others may know something they don't or won't listen to because they "Know it all already!"

Take you for example. You know so much, but don't realize the sarcasm that led to the posting of the thread. Others read the OP, saw something that they identified with, and commented, yet YOU have to start your little rant about "trash" and "junk" and such to make your self feel smart, hence the thread is about more "knowitalls" than about its secondary reason for existance, which is the monking aspect.

Dude, you're digging your own grave.

Darkpower Alchemist · Aug 05, 2007, 05:49 AM // 05:49

Digging my own grave? He commented, I commented about his comment- I see it as done there. Your comment doesn't really add anything to the thread, Karunpav. Add to the thread,plz- be productive or flame someone who cares or say nothing, shake your head and keep it moving.

And for the record, if people never have anything productive or anything good to say in a thread, why interact? Because they are mean little men trying to make themselves feel better by belittling others. I bring abit of levity to my OP and I get comments about having trash and digging a grave, when you all are just not having enough fun. Get the stick out from where the sun doesn't shine and relax. It's a forum for free speech about a video game that we all play. If you don't agree with a comment, that's fine, but don't start making personal assaults with no point to there existence. If you're going to comment in every thread a person writes, you really don't have to contineuosly comment about a writing style you don't agree with. You don't want to read, then find the OP with 2 sentences and vague statements. They are here for you to bash them on being unimaginative.

Don't always show up in mine or others like mine to just say, "You're talking too much! Get to the point!" We'll get to the point when we're good and damn ready!

karunpav · Aug 05, 2007, 06:03 AM // 06:03

There's... nothing to add. This thread is just kinda pointing out the obvious (except for the PS-SB debate, which has already been covered so I don't think I need to go on about it), so there's nothing to say.

And my last comment was because you just started a fight with Mokone. Mokone's a pretty respected part of the community and what she said is right; you have a tendency of romanticizing your threads without getting to the point until far into your post, making others scan the page looking for something with actual substance. Kinda like your last post. That and, if you want to start a flame war with her, you'd better be ready for trouble because other people are willing to stand up for her. Want me to add something, though? Okay, I'll give it a shot.

There really isn't a reason to use Healing Prayers if LoD isn't on your bar (except for Gift, which ownz). Also, Holy Veil isn't the only viable hex removal. Deny Hexes+Divine Spirit=good. Basically a mini-divert. I think that's all I've got.

Mokone did do something productive. She said that PS and SB serve different purposes. Oh, and Mokone's not a guy (if you are.... my bad). Also, there's a difference between personal attacks and being blunt.

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Originally Posted by Mokone

why can't you just remove the trash from it and stick to the key idea?

IMO, that's just a suggestion. It may be a little harsh, but it's a suggestion nonetheless. Anyway, I think I've commented on your Sword Warrior 2 thread. But that's it. How is that "commenting in every thread" you write? Besides, as far as I'm concerned, threads take place like real conversations. If I wanted to read fluffy and romantic writing, I'd get a book.

moko · Aug 05, 2007, 06:36 AM // 06:36

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Originally Posted by Darkpower Alchemist

Poor Mokone,you never have fun in a thread, do you? What's your point, you ask? The point is that knowitalls don't get that others may know something they don't or won't listen to because they "Know it all already!"

Take you for example. You know so much, but don't realize the sarcasm that led to the posting of the thread. Others read the OP, saw something that they identified with, and commented, yet YOU have to start your little rant about "trash" and "junk" and such to make your self feel smart, hence the thread is about more "knowitalls" than about its secondary reason for existance, which is the monking aspect.

most threads aren't here to have fun.

the thread has a purpose, which you could've put in a very simple and short message instead of adding USELESS stuff to it that makes your points HARDER TO UNDERSTAND.

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Just like why Mokone doesn't get the reason why I made the thread- because knowitalls think they know it all, but really know little to nothing.

no. just like you ABSOLUTELY FAILED at understanding my points as ALWAYS. cleaning the trash and coming to the KEY TOPIC.

stories are fun and all, but if you want to teach, or just compare skills, leave them out.

besides, if you add so many "useless" information into the OP and then wonder when users (like myself) are actually confused what the purpose of it is, then it is your own fault for not making it clear.

to the topic; your points on RH and Veil are right and easy to understand (read: you didn't include a little story how mean mister necro boss hexed you and your uber reflexes got it with RH while the uber mean mes bos got owned by pre veil..)

karunpav added another thing you should include; Deny hexes. being powered by 2 main sources (divine spirit & devotion, and itself of course, but let's leave that out), it can become a mini-divert hexes without the heal for a cheaper cost & a better recharge.

and of course, smite hex as viable options for smiters.

regarding the all heal build: you're right again, yet many many people decide to use it that way, both in PvE and even in PvP where they pick a "full prot" and a "full healer" (this is especially the case in HA, most of these teams will also have a third monk because the others are fail) instead of making normal hybrid monks that can do a better job than 3.

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forgot to say; reverse hex is obviously king in hero battles as the meta consists of assassin spikes, heh. o.o

Darkpower Alchemist · Aug 05, 2007, 07:00 AM // 07:00

For those who don't get to the end of the OP, I had already stated that SB and PS did different things. To have people agree is great, but I have stated this fact previously.

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Originally Posted by Mokone

to the topic; your points on RH and Veil are right and easy to understand (read: you didn't include a little story how mean mister necro boss hexed you and your uber reflexes got it with RH while the uber mean mes bos got owned by pre veil..)

LMAOROFL. This has to be the funniest thing you've said ever in a thread. Yet, karunpav is mistaken on who the comment was about in reference to being in all my most recent threads. It was Mokone, not you. He/She always made a similar comment about my writing style in every thread, when if you know it's my thread and how I write already, you have commited to interpreting it once you click the link to enter. No need to keep repeating the same bash from the previous threads- you already know how I get down.

Get your popcorn, a cold drink and get ready to read for 5 minutes or so!

Age · Aug 05, 2007, 09:29 PM // 21:29

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Originally Posted by Darkpower Alchemist

For those who don't get to the end of the OP, I had already stated that SB and PS did different things. To have people agree is great, but I have stated this fact previously.

LMAOROFL. This has to be the funniest thing you've said ever in a thread. Yet, karunpav is mistaken on who the comment was about in reference to being in all my most recent threads. It was Mokone, not you. He/She always made a similar comment about my writing style in every thread, when if you know it's my thread and how I write already, you have commited to interpreting it once you click the link to enter. No need to keep repeating the same bash from the previous threads- you already know how I get down.

Get your popcorn, a cold drink and get ready to read for 5 minutes or so!

You lost already as Mokone is right if you look at the energy costs Deny is better as opposed to Reverse.You only need to cast signet of devotion then deny or like Mokone said.